Monday, February 24, 2014



We posed the question: ON WHOSE SIDE IS THE CIA IN THAILAND?

In Thailand it has been the Red Shirts (supporters of the Shinawatra family) against the Yellow Shirts (traditionalists).

Anon from Australia writes:

It's a tough question isn't it? 

For mine there are a couple of salient points that sway me.

- The Shinawatras keep winning elections. 

It seems they're beloved everywhere except the capital. 

I know two Thai people (this is in Oz you understand) and they love Thaksin Shinawatra.

- The first side to do the Soros-style colour code thing was the Yellows. 

Shinawatra didn't have a colour until after he was deposed.

- That first yellow revolution was treated with kid gloves. 

They were magically allowed to occupy the airport in the middle of the war on terror. 

They were proper media darlings.

- The latter red revolution involved a good deal of violence from the police, military, and themselves (or so saith the police and the military).

They were clearly not media darlings and were broadly portrayed as troublemakers.

- The Shinawatras are parvenu. The yellows strike me as old school/bloodlines.

And here's a thought (and harking back to the first point): let's imagine a goverment beloved by the poor was actually fake, i.e. deluding the poor with baubles and trinkets whilst simultaneously fucking them over. 
Yeah? Certainly such governments exist and can win an election. Okay so how many of them make make it to a second and third term without turning authoritarian and otherwise giving the game away?

You know what I mean? The reds have been electorally invincible for years. How do you fake that? And here's the yellows twisting themselves inside out to explain why democracy isn't working in this case. Yeah right...

Whilst I stand to be swayed by the case for the yellows, I'm still given to thinking the reds have it.

best etc. etc.


Anonymous said...

best etc etc you REALLY ARE the BEST

a genuine bona fide member of the Aangirfan co-mm-unity

in peace and humour
(thru the tears) xx

Anonymous said...

I miss your writing and analysis Nobby.


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Anonymous said...

One question though: within which press was the positive coverage you refer to conveyed? You seem to be quoting the THAI PRESS, which was clearly always going to be pro-yellow, given that is the party of the Bangkok establishment ... But who was the Wall St Journal/London Times preference? ... Red, Red, Red all the way! How can you possibly analyse internal political coverage when you're trying to identify external influence. That would be like looking at Pravda to see how much influence the CIA had over a Russian political group. It would be like trying to analyse George W Bush through the prism of fundamentalist christian support. Much ado about zero when it comes to global hegemony. All you're doing is exposing the newspaper preferences of a majority of fools at some point in time. You can't fool them forever (Thais that is, Westerners are another matter altogether!) A handy tip: when looking for western influence, refer to London Time or New York Post, not the Bangkok Post.
Chris B

Anonymous said...

Thai people are very superstitious. Each day of the week has it's own colour. His Majesty was born on a Monday this is a yellow colour, perhaps there is a link?
Southern Thai folks prefer the yellows to the reds.
This choice of what shirt to wear over simplifies things metinks.
Thaksin is on the Carlyle group, Abhisit is educated in the 'right' schools in the UK.
Some folks want to take BKK out of Thailand in a similar fashion to Singapore's exit from Malaysia.
Where I am at people are just fed up with the face they've been lied to.


Anonymous said...

I found the analysis of Thailand's factions very interesting. I have not been able to look at Thaksin in a clear eyed manner since the Tak Bai incident in 2004 when 78 Muslim protesters died in custody after being trussed up and forced to lie on top of each other in vans, like sticks piled upon one another and Thaksin said "This is typical. It’s about bodies made weak from fasting. Nobody hurt them.”. Around six protesters were shot to death, three were murdered by drowning,along with the 78 who apparently suffocated to death in the vans.
These incidents could happen under any government but I will always loathe and despise him for making that statement.
The Thai army and government later implicitly accepted responsibility for the deaths paying a combined 684 million Bt to the families of the victims. "Govt pays out more than Bt641m to Tak Bai victims"
THE NATION October 25, 2013. [the army had already paid 43 million.

Anonymous said...

Hullo, me again.

I know nothing about the Thai coverage. Nor the WSJ and other such lofty papers. I was in Oz taking my cues from the stuff intended for the hoi-polloi courtesy Rupert Murdoch and his sing-from-the-same-songbook media buddies. In amongst that the yellows were heroes and the reds were 'not quite the thing'. I thought it was clear cut. No doubt you could find exceptions to this but in terms of broad-brush? That was the big picture.

As for Shinawatra being Carlyle, that's a thing worth knowing sure. But viewed in the context of Saddam as this, and Noriega as that, and the Shah as the other (can you dig it?) obviously nothing is simple. The waters are always muddy. One looks always to an accumulation of points to attempt to discern a picture.

Besides which I was not definitive.

Oh and hey Edo (and that first gushing individual, ha ha) just so you know there'll be news soon. See you in the funny pages.

Oh! And AP's back! Phwooar! Let the good times roll.

best etc. etc.

Anonymous said...

Yellow revolution EDSA anniversary today in the Philippines too. People here don't know it was a CIA op.

By the way, is it? Can you pull up that article which says Cory etc were cia puppets?

Thanks and more knowledge to you.

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