Sunday, October 06, 2013


David and Jonathan.

Jesus appears to attack the Old Testament.

Jesus said: "Turn the other cheek."

In Numbers 31:14, 17, 18: "Moses said 'Kill all the women and boys, but keep the girls for yourselves."

Moses, if he ever existed, was obviously a child killer.

The Bible is like the curate's egg - good in parts.

The Bible, like the Koran, is a very human attempt to describe what life is all about.

In Matthew 5:1,2  "Jesus went up into a mountain: and when he was ready, his disciples came to him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying...."

This is the Sermon on the Mount.

In Luke 6:17,20: "Jesus stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..."

This is the Sermon on the Mount, but, it is in the plain.

Luke seems to be making it up.

The Old Testament is endless contradictions.

In Isaiah 14:21 we read that people should "Kill the children because of the sins of their fathers."

In Deuteronomy 24:16 we read "Children should not be put to death for the sins of their fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin."

In Jeremiah 13:14 we read: "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."

In Psalms 145:9 we read: "The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works."

A List Of Biblical Contradictions

Christians killing Chsristians.

In Jeremiah 32:27 we read "God is all powerful."

In Judges 1:19 we read: "God is not all powerful."

Biblical Contradictions

Many of the people who leave comments on this blog have been brainwashed by fundamentalist Christians.

Sensible Christians "consider some passages of the Bible (e.g. those referring to slavery, burning some hookers alive, forcing rape victims to marry their rapists, raping female prisoners of war, etc.) as not being valid today, as immoral, and against the will of God.

"They differentiate among various homosexual and heterosexual sex practices, treating some (rape, prostitution, temple sex rituals) as immoral and some (consesual activity within committed relationships) as positive." 

The early Christians had various theories about Jesus.

Jesus did not become 'officially' divine until 325 AD.

This was when the Council of Nicaea, set up by the Roman emperor Constantine, decided that Jesus, like many Roman Emperors, was divine.

Most scholars agree that Jesus did actually exist.

"Amy-Jill Levine states that ... 'there is a consensus of sorts on the basic outline of Jesus' life' in that most scholars agree that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, debated Jewish authorities on the subject of God, performed some healings, gathered followers...."[68]

Christ myth theory - Wikipedia

In The Historical Jesus; Five Views, Robert Price suggests that the story of Jesus in the Gospels contains borrowings from pagan mythology.

In the same book, Professor Luke Timothy Johnson lists all the things historians can know with 'a very high degree of probability' about Jesus - Jesus taught in parables, Jesus healed people, Jesus taught about God's Kingdom.

The Recliner Commentaries: Five views of the historical Jesus

Osiris's resurrection is celebrated on the third day

Does the story of Jesus show strong parallels to myths of dying and rising gods?

Apparently not.

"Early in the 20th century, Gerald Massey argued that there are similarities between the Egyptian dying-and-rising god myths and Jesus.[22]

"Massey stated that the biblical references to Herod the Great were based on the myth of 'Herrut' the evil hydra serpent."

However, the existence of Herod the Great "can be well established without reliance on Christian sources."[23] 

In other words, Herod was not Herrut.

"The overall scholarly consensus is that while the examples provided often involve death of the deity, they do not generally involve resurrection of the same deity.[2] 

"Eddy and Boyd state that upon careful analysis, it turns out that there is often either no death, no resurrection or no god in the examples used to construct each of the examples in the category.[17]

"Jonathan Z. Smith, a scholar of comparative religions, writes the category is 'largely a misnomer based on imaginative reconstructions and exceedingly late or highly ambiguous texts.'[1][37]


Is Christianity similar to the Roman religion Mithraism?

Early Christian authors "took an extremely negative view of Mithraism" and saw their practices "as evil copies of Christian practices."[209]

Stanley porter notes that "Mithraism only reached Asia minor in the latter part of the first century, after the basic elements of the gospels were in place, and hence could not have influenced the essential elements of the gospels."[211]

David Strauss (1808–1874), a German theologian, believed that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and that the encounter had influenced the views of Jesus.

However, Strauss believed that "the additional elements of the sky opening, the dove descending on Jesus as the Holy Spirit, etc. were subsequent miraculous embellishments by the authors of the gospels intended to emphasize the importance of a key event in the life of Jesus."[220] [225]

Strauss believed that the divine spirit was embedded in all of humanity.

In 1890, Sir James George Frazer published the first edition of The Golden Bough which showed "the shared elements of religious belief."

Frazer himself believed that Jesus existed.[235]

William Benjamin Smith (1850–1934) argued for a symbolic interpretation of the stories about Jesus.

Smith argues that in the parable of the Jesus and the rich young man there never was a young man, and the young man symbolizes the nation of Israel.[254]

Dying and rising gods

What evidence is there that Jesus was (A) an opponent of the Establishment, or (B) a tool of the establisment?

1. Jesus shared meals with outcasts, which annoyed the Pharisees, strong supporters of the laws and traditions of the Jewish people.

Jesus said: "Be on your guard against the Doctors of the Law, who like to walk about in robes and be saluted in the streets... who devour the livelihood of widows..."

2. Jesus talked of 'good people' being his 'brothers' and 'sisters'.

3. Jesus urged people to 'renounce self'.

Jesus said: "If anyone wishes to be the first, he must be the last of all and the servant of all."

Jesus said: "Why do you call me good? No one but God is good."

4. Jesus said: "How difficult it is for men of wealth to enter the Kingdom of God."

"Free will allows us to choose to continue to influence reality with our memories (Ego) 

Or we can choose to accept our identity as projections of the Father and consciously co-create with the Father...

"Quantum physics has proven that the belief of the observer is translated in the test tube. 

"Each energy packet can become particle or remain as energy depending on the expectation of the observer. 

"This is known as the observer effect.

"Positive Thinking is Merely Scratching the Surface of Truth: We must be attentive to intuition

"As the Quantum physicist has discovered, our beliefs come true. 

"This is the key to the kingdom which we forgot shortly after birth. 

"Our parents probably forgot that we are connected, just as they are connected to the One. 

"In this same way, Herod of Judea forgot that he and Jesus were both born of the Creator/Father/One. 

"Herod attempted to kill Jesus by ordering all the newborn children of Bethlehem to be slain.

"But, since Joseph was attentive to his intuition, (for intuitive training go to Andrea Hess...) he was warned by the One/Creator/Father to flee to Egypt. 

"Jesus was safe during His childhood. They only returned to Israel after they were told of the death of Herod.

"When Jesus was grown, he fasted for 40 days and 40 nights before beginning His ministry... a month of fasting will cause an altered state of reality.

"When Jesus was tempted by His Ego to turn the stones into bread, He reminded the tempter that 'man does not live by bread alone.' Thus He determined to finish his vision quest...

"Jesus told the Ego to get behind Him because it is only the One/Source/Creator who would be served.

"To accept our identity as co-Creators with the One, we must put our finite Egos behind us. 

"Our Subconscious mind is connected to our Higher Mind and to the Creator/One/Source. 

"The Ego is only connected to our conscious minds and helps keep us involved in this physical world. 

"But, at the same time, we must learn to influence our Subconscious Minds in order to create our reality..."

Who was Jesus?

John Dominic Crossan, professor emeritus at De Paul University Chicago, is an Irish-American religious scholar. (John Dominic Crossan Web Site)

Crossan "believes that less than 20 percent of what we read in the Gospels are original sayings of Jesus." (

Crossan does not dispute that Jesus Christ really lived.

Independent accounts "prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus." (Quoted in Josh McDowell, Evidence That Demands a Verdict, vol. 1 (Nashville: Nelson, 1979), 87.)

Crossan sees Jesus as a healer and man of great wisdom. (John Dominic Crossan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

The fundamentalists are no fun

According to Crossan, Jesus's teachings would have upset the elite.

According to Crossan, "The Kingdom of God comes not at some future time

"You cannot point out the sign of its coming

"The Kingdom of God comes not at some special site

"You cannot point out the place of its coming

"The Kingdom of God is already here, among you, now."

kiss me
Egyptians, by Veralyn Adeyinka

In a review of a Crossan book, Peter Broady wrote (Review of The Essential Jesus by John Dominic Crossan.):

"One can only wonder what the Jewish peasant who spoke of the poor and destitute as ‘blessed’ along with the ‘peacemakers’ and ‘those that hunger and thirst after justice’, and said that it is nearly impossible for wealth and the ‘kingdom of God’ to coexist, would think of our unimaginably wealthy country where the gap between rich and poor has reached heights unimaginable in his time..."

The following is fiction:

James: How was your trip to India to meet the great guru?

Peter: I enjoyed India. But I've come to the conclusion that the only good guru is a humble guru. The guru I met in India was sitting on a throne and claiming to understand everything about the universe. He did not look in good health. He may be what you call a 'theomaniac': someone who gets very easily irritated and doesn't like being contradicted.

James: You are a fan of humility.

Peter: I am. Think of Jesus on the cross saying, "My God, why have you forsaken me?" That seems to be Jesus admitting that he's not perfect. He seems to be admitting that some things have gone wrong.

Next stop Kamalapur
Bangladesh by lucafabbozzo

James: You don't think Jesus was perfect?

Peter: Jesus said, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God." He also said that he was not seeking glory for himself.

James: That suggests that Jesus was capable of making some mistakes.

Peter: Exactly. Remember that Jesus wanted people to be humble, like little children. He wanted people to see themselves as servants. Jesus washed people's feet.

James: What about Jesus when he was criticising some of the Jewish leaders and calling them names? In Matthew, Jesus says, "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!... You blind fools!... You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?"

Peter: This seems to conflict with Jesus's teaching about not judging people; and about seeing your own faults; about turning the other cheek and about not resisting evil.

James: What do think Jesus thought about God and life after death?

Peter: I think Jesus used parables because it's not possible to explain all these things very easily in words. When Jesus talked about being at one with the Father, that could mean many different things. I think Jesus believed that we can all be one with the divine.

James: So your guru must be humble.

Peter: The guru must teach that we should be humble, kindly and flexible in our thinking. But, the guru must himself be humble, kindly and flexible.

The fundamentalists are no fun

The Religion OF Jesus - not ABOUT Jesus: Toward the theology OF Jesus

"Jesus, in fact, was typical of a certain kind of fanatical young idealist: at one moment holding forth, with tears in his eyes, about the need for universal love; at the next furiously denouncing the morons, crooks and bigots who do not see eye to eye with him, It is a very natural and human behavior." - Margaret Knight, 'Honest to Man' : p26 ( personality )

The Prophet said, "Have I not taught you how the inhabitants of Paradise will be all the humble and the weak..." Islam: Hadith of Bukhari.

"Be humble, be harmless, Have no pretension..." Hinduism: Bhagavad Gita

"To know when one does not know is best. To think one knows when one does not know is a dire disease." Taoism: Tao Te Ching

"The fool who knows that he is a fool is for that very reason a wise man; the fool who thinks he is wise is called a fool indeed." Buddhism: Dhammapada


Infidel said...

For more information, read:

The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ

by Acharya S/D.M. Murdock

The pdf:


Anonymous said...

I don't worry much about the Old Testament, focus on the words of Jesus.

Jesus said (paraphrase), "nobody knows when the world will pass away, not me, only God knows."

Again (paraphrase), "The kingdom of God is not of this world."

So, I agree it is blasphemous to do anything to quote, bring on Armageddon. In fact, you should attempt everything to not bring on Armageddon or whatever would lead to the end of the world, World War III or whatever and cause extinction because that is not God's will, we don't know about any of that.

Fundamentalists are wrong to talk of God's coming kingdom on this Earth or point to current events as signposts of a coming kingdom on Earth, or Armageddon, or whatever.

Jesus, "Blessed by the peacemakers."

Here's a good summary:

Do not ever forget God’s love and his Golden Rule: Do onto others as you would have done onto you. Blessed be the peacemakers. Mercy upon those who truly turn away from the path of evil. Those who exercise God’s love towards their fellow man are God’s children.

Exposing truth is the first step to a better world.

Anonymous said...

Another SON day another Bible study? Its made up Babylonian hogwash fairy tales from a lost society? Like Frazier you go along with EVERYBODY ELSE OVER THE SUNDAY WORSHIP cliff? You really should do some research on MITHRA the LEGION and the cross thing. BACON wrote the gospels after Waterloo? Christian 4 Mithra? Anyone!

Anonymous said...

You posted a piece headed The Real Jesus? on April 13th that had much of this material in it - although it is certainly worthy of a re-read - and I enjoyed the extra bits. It's particularly gratifying also to see the redoubtable Mr Crossan properly acknowledged. ; )

Infidel said...

More and more information about the Bible is being uncovered and it doesn't bode well for the Hebrew supremacist narrative:

Fables of Ancient Israel Now Being Dissected

Ruth of Exeter said...

No, commenter 1! Rather, listen to Constance Cumbey's talk on You Tube about the duplicitous and Satanic nature of the New Age. See Chris White's debunks entries.

Acharya S is a proven liar. And this article also contains many errors or outright untruths. For example, the claim that Christ was not considered divine can be scotched by an examination of the Gospels and the church fathers.

What good is it being a truth seeker if you fall for the biggest lies of all - that Jesus is not the Son of God and that we all have a divine spark in is. for there is no other name under heaven by which we may be saved...

Infidel said...

Ruth of Exeter said: "Acharya S is a proven liar." Proven by whom? Please read No, Zeitgeist has not been refuted!


D.M. Murdock (Acharya S.), Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection. Stellar House Publishing.

Reviewed by Robert M. Price


I find myself in full agreement with Acharya S/D.M. Murdock: “we assert that Christianity constitutes Gnosticism historicized and Judaized, likewise representing a synthesis of Egyptian, Jewish and Greek religion and mythology, among others [including Buddhism, via King Asoka’s missionaries] from around the ‘known world’” (p. 278). “Christianity is largely the product of Egyptian religion being Judaized and historicized’ (p. 482).

The Bible is full of contradictions and absurdities. It is neither historically nor scientifically accurate, yet Christian preachers and apologists claim that it is the "inerrant word of God." The Bible itself proves them liars.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

I confirm that "Acharya S is a proven liar." And a (presumably Jewish) hypocrite. She claims she cares for children abused by catholic priests. But, in discussing one of her (many) attacks to Christianity, just try to make her condemn the child-killing of israel’s “Cast Lead” coward massacre of Palestinians: Impossible.

Anonymous said...

My thoughts on your post:

David and Jonathan had a strong love for one another just as I retain a strong love for my best friend though he passed away several years ago. People used to ask if we were brothers. No we were friends. People used to ask if we were gay. Answer No. The very thought of having any intimate or sexual engagement with my best friend is utterly abhorrent.

Jesus did not by my understanding attack the Old Testament but fulfilled it.

In my reference to Numbers it states: “keep alive for yourselves” which I interpret as meaning to reproduce with later as women who would provide children.

My experience of God would suggest Moses did exist but one has to remember we are talking about a different culture with a smaller population and decisions had to be taken to halt wrongdoing just as was carried out in WW1 and WW2 on the part of the allies, whether such was necessary or genuine bearing in mind said world wars were determined by man not directly by God as would appear was the case in the old Testament.

The bible is not a curate’s egg it needs to be understood. One should find their part therein.

I have no knowledge of the Koran however I can say I read some Islamic literature and felt an oppressive spirit come upon me. This is reflected in that they must perform daily ritual. I quickly stopped reading. It is by my experience a religion of slavery.

This is akin to Catholicism and Judaism both being ritualistic – perform these acts or feasts and you are made right with God.

Not so in Christianity, a faith which operates in freedom, the only ritual, to my recollection being communion – do when you wish, a mere eating of bread and wine thus demonstrating that ritual is now informal.

Keeping the Sabbath? Have never done so myself yet my best friend always did - which resulted in his death as God would not allow him to break such, his having covenanted never to do. Must have been a text for him to consider, not me.

In my preferred version it states:

Luke 6.17: “When Jesus had come down from the hill with the apostles, he stood on a level place…”

This seems therefore to be after the sermon on the mount so your source would appear disinfo.

Next is a 10 min video. If I can be bothered I’ll try to find time to get back but don't think I'll likely be bothered given the obvious nonsense as contradicted above.


john said...

Dave McGowans take on Jesus and the Empire.

Clarence J Boddicker said...

The Bible is not full of contradictions. Its detractors repeatedly prove that their claims are themselves based on misreading, misunderstanding, misplaced emphases, misdirected timelines and unsupportable semantic manipulations, with the most famed 'contradictions' of all existing only because the supposed skeptical scholar stumbled over his own misconception. Bible scholars have famously and credibly demolished every single 'contradiction' that has ever been raised. Skeptics and opponents, like Darwinists, have famously ignored the scholarly debate and simply repeated their fundamental errors ad infinitum.

As for absurdities, they are in the eye of the beholder. There is little more absurd than evolutionary theory, big bang, the magic bullet theory and man-made climate change, yet all are taught as material fact.

You cannot demonstrate that the Bible is historically inaccurate. It has, in fact, been astoundingly accurate and a valuable archaeological tool. Skeptics and philosophical opponents, however, do not publicise this fact and are frequently found in popular media repeating the myth that the Bible is historically inaccurate. If you mean that your unprovable assumed version of history which is devoid of primary source evidence and divorced from crediblensecondary source evidence is at odds with the written historical record found in the texts compiled in the Bible, you'd be correct. Your assumptions don't and won't match the Bible's assertions. They can't. You won't let them. And neither will your philosophical heroes who all made the same mistakes that you compound, of letting philosophy, subjectivity and doubt cloud the prima fascie reading of documentary evidence.

You cannot say that the Bible is scientifically inaccurate, since it does not present itself as a scientifically detailed text. Please oh please defend your claim using arguments about geocentricity and flat earth, all of which were pagan presumptions and are not even found as assertions in the Bible.

The Bible does not, by any stretch, prove those who claim it to be the inerrant Word of God, to be liars. It does, however, prove that you don't know nearly enough about what it does or doesn't say to be considered a credible authority. Especially since you've not been bright enough to notice that it is preposterous to level a charge of 'contradiction' against a chronologically ordered collection of texts which document social and religious history across several national borders over 4000 years of history, compiled across 1400 years of writing. An idiot could see that if you read the compendium of british history since the fall of the Roman Empire as if it was a philosophical guidebook that so-called 'contradictions' would be evident. But only idiots read history that way.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Aang,

I would say that to revere both the OT and the NT equals cognitive dissonance. Clearly they're at odds with each other. The Catholics who educated me made it quite clear that the OT was not to be taken too seriously and paid it almost no attention at all.

Regardless, they still couldn't bring themselves to acknowledge the fact that Christianity (like Islam) is less a religion than it is a Jewish sect. The OT is ipso facto proof of this.

And of course you'd have to then ask: what exactly went on at the council of Nicaea? Who ran it? Why did so much absurd and contradictory Pharisaic nonsense make its way into the religion that was to all intents and purposes a rejection of Pharisaism?

It seems that in spite of Jesus' best attempts (real or fictional, it doesn't really matter) it seems that in the end the Pharisees got the upper hand.

I'd declare that with Judaism as its wellspring (and that being such a poisoned well) Christianity was always doomed to be a polluted river that ran dark.

It's fixable of course but only by severing the wellspring. Sadly that would mean the end of the river. Urgh! The very thought of it - the river gone, no free ride, and each person forced to walk on their own. But is that so terrible? Really?

best etc. etc.

Zoompad said...

"The Old Testament is endless contradictions."

The Bible is God's Word written down by mankind. It is the story of mankinds relationship with his Creator.

The only way to get to heaven is to know Jesus Christ, and you can only do that through faith, understanding the great sacrifice, when he took the punishment for our sins upon himself, nailed to a cross 2000 years ago that he made for all our sakes.

he humbled himself in obedience to God
and died a criminal’s death on a cross.

9 Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor
and gave him the name above all other names,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Dublinmick said...

Good post and this is always a lengthy debate spanning hundreds of thousands of years.

Here is what I believe Jesus really said. There are only two copies of these, one buried in the vatican cellar and one in the Austrian museum. That is how it leaked out.

Here is what American indians say

Here is what east indians say

Here is what the Babylonian tables (enuma elish say)

Anonymous said...

According to author Joseph Atwill, Jesus is a fictional character that the ruling family of Rome, the Flavians, invented as a psychological weapon against the messianic Judaism which was resisting imperial rule:

Charles Edward Frith said...

I second Caesar's Messiah. Evidence is in it was a Flavian dynasty creation. Self fulfilling Roman battle prophecies disguised you typology narrative.

Clarence J Boddicker said...

Good to see so many people taking a vote on who Jesus was, what He said and the accuracy of the Bible with seemingly no knowledge of, and no reference to the undisputedly compelling selection of texts which represent the world's most authentic collection of primary, secondary and tertiary source evidence which has repeathedly demonstrated that taking the texts at face value is the only credible way to explain the evidence.

Anonymous said...

Dublinmick, thanks for the links.

Pure good sense.

... said...

Jesus most definitely existed, perhaps in a much old past that the scholars tell us, this is why there are so many doubters. If you really want to see proof of this, study Eastern Orthodoxy. Visit a monastery. There you will find the story of Jesus and the New Testament in fine details, with the original 'written texts', art work inspired by those texts depicting bible stories that were handed down through the oral tradition dating BEFORE the Nicaea Decree. The information is there, free-flowing throughout the near and middle east countries, in the churches, on the streets, in the stories of the grandmothers... Christian religion is a living breathing recollection of history. What I've heard was not made up by some elites for some alterior secret-society motive. Jesus Christ as a being on the earth existed and cannot be denied.

Zoompad said...

"According to author Joseph Atwill"

Never heard of him until you posted that. I have heard of Jesus Christ though!

I think I will carry on believing Jesus rather than this Joseph Atwill if its all the same to you.

Infidel said...

We should analyze the Bible critically, as we would any other book. The Bible makes extraordinary claims, but there is no evidence to prove those claims. Consider the creation accounts in Genesis for example:

Philosophical Dictionary, by Voltaire



The two contradictory creation accounts in Genesis 1 and 2:

Genesis 1

Genesis 2

Genesis 1 through Genesis 2:3 were written by an author who used the word Elohim (plural; God, gods, objects of worship), translated as God in the King James Version.

The author of Genesis 2:4–25 used the term Yahweh-Elohim, translated in the KJV as the LORD God. In the first account, the Elohim make man and woman in their image, after
making the animals: Gen 1:26 And God [Elohim] said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness…1:27 So God [Elohim] created man in his own image, in the image of God [Elohim]
created he him; male and female created he them.

In the second account, Yahweh-Elohim creates man before the animals: 2:7 And the LORD God [Yahweh-Elohim] formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

But there was a problem: 2:18 And the LORD God [Yahweh-Elohim] said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet [mate] for him.

So did Yahweh-Elohim make a mate for Adam out of the dust? No!

2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God [Yahweh-Elohim] formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and
whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet [mate] for him.[!]

The author neglects to tell us exactly how Yahweh-Elohim and Adam determined that the beasts and the birds weren’t suitable mates, but apparently, after a lot of trial and error, Yahweh-
Elohim comes up with a solution:

2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Adam and Eve allegedly weren’t ashamed, but the authors of this nonsense should have been. How can myths like this be considered the inerrant word of an omnipotent, omniscient god?

Dublinmick said...

Anon 5:07

You are quite welcome, glad you enjoyed the links. Zoompad, keep on zooming, alwways enjoy your responses and I think I am going with Jesus over Atwill myself!!

Fact is the Essene scrolls clearly show Jesus exhorting nature and and the natural world much like any native american indian chief would explain to you. It is so simple, it is God that makes the grass grow.

Westerners have received a double whammy, in that not only were the words of Jesus twisted for them to bend their minds toward war, it has served to now convince a host of them that Jesus did not even exist at all. There are some real snake charmers behind the vatican robes. d

When Jesus comes to make war:

The toxic legacy of Christopher Colombus

Infidel said...

King Solomon

In the Bible,(1) King Solomon is said to have:

1. Inherited a vast empire conquered by his father David that extended from the Nile in Egypt to the Euphrates River in Mesopotamia (1 Kings 4:21; Gen. 15:18; Deut. 1:7,11:24; Joshua 1:4; 2 Sam. 8:3; 1 Chron. 18:3).
2. Accumulated great wealth and wisdom (1 Kings 10:23).
3. Administered his kingdom through a system of 12 districts (1 Kings 4:7).
4. Possessed a large harem, which included "the daughter of Pharaoh" (1 Kings 3:1; 1 Kings 11:1,3; 1 Kings 9:16).
5. Honored other gods in his old age (1 Kings 11:1-2,4-5).
6. Devoted his reign to great building projects (1 Kings 9:15,17-19), including:

a. the Temple (1 Kings 6).
b. the Royal Palace (1 Kings 7:2-12).
c. the walls of Jerusalem,
d. the Millo (an earthen fill made to enlarge Jerusalem) (1 Kings 11:27)
e. the royal cities of Megiddo, Hazor, and Gezer
f. the store cities, the cities for his horsemen and the cities for his chariots throughout his empire.

To be consistent with the pattern of other great Bronze and Iron Age cultures in the ancient Near East (Egyptian, Babylonian, Assyrian, and Hittite), it would be expected that numerous documents, art, and inscriptions on buildings or public monuments would have been left by such a great king or by his descendants later in honor of him.(2) Yet no article of any kind bearing his name has ever been found.(3)

The cities of Hazor, Megiddo and Gezer have now been extensively excavated. A stratum containing large palaces, temples and strong fortifications was found in each of these cities. The name of Solomon was not found, but the cartouche of the 18th Dynasty Pharaoh Amenhotep III instead.(4) In Jerusalem, it has not been possible to excavate the temple mount, however, extensive excavations in the city, including the areas adjacent to the temple mount have not revealed the existence of a Solomaic palace complex.(5) Moreover, excavation of the Millo has revealed (due to pottery found in the Millo) that its original construction was also contemporary with the Egyptian 18th Dynasty of Amenhotep III.(6)

Amenhotep III, known in ancient times as the "King of Kings" and "Ruler of Ruler's,"(7) was a Pharaoh of Egypt's glorious 18th Dynasty. He, like Solomon, inherited a vast empire whose influence extended quite literally from the Nile to the Euphrates.(8) In contrast to the empire of Solomon, the empire of Amenhotep is indisputable.(9) The buildings, monuments, documents, art, and numerous other vestiges of his reign are ubiquitous and unparalleled (with the possible exception being those left by the 19th Dynasty Pharaoh, Ramses II).


Amen Hetep III Offering Incense Before the Ark of the God Amen Ra

Infidel said...

Ancient Egypt the Light of the World


Here we may say in passing, that The Golden Bough contains a learned, large, and serviceable collection of data, but the theories of interpretation derived from the writings of Mannhardt are futile195. Besides which, mythology is not to be fathomed in or by a folk [Page 673] tale, and The Golden Bough is but a twig of the great tree of mythology and sign-language—a twig without its root. The reception of the work in England served to show how prevalent and profound is the current ignorance of the subject-matter. It was hailed as if it had plumbed the depths instead of merely extending the superficies. The writer never once touches bottom; never traces the comparison home either in the Assyrian or the Egyptian version. In the former, for example, Gilgamesh goes to the other
world in quest of the tree of life and the fountain of youth. His desire is to learn how to become immortal196. In that other world across the water, not in the nether-earth of Arali, there grows the tree of renewal.

Two ways of entering the other world are represented in two different categories of the ancient legend, both of which are derived from the same fundamental origin. One is by means of the dividing [Page 640] waters, the other by means of the passage that opens
and closes in the earth at evening or in the equinox. In the Egyptian mythos the entrance to Amenta is both by land and water. The god on board the solar bark, or the children of Ra = Israel on board the bark of souls passed through the cloven rock by water. Previously the water had to be divided for the travellers to pass. But the waters thus divided were celestial, being mythical. They are the waters divided by Shu-Anhur with his rod as leader of the manes from Amenta up to heaven.

The mount of the horizon in the equinox was the place of the two lions called the Sheniu, which also tend to identify the mount with Sinai. These two lions, the two kherufu or kherubs that support the sun upon the horizon, are repeated in the two cherubim that were
portrayed upon the ark of testimony. One symbol of Mount Hetep is a table piled with food. This is reproduced in the table of showbread that was to be always set as the oblation in the presence of the Lord. Ihuh was to commune with Moses from between the two cherubim. The position is that of Atum-Ra-Har-Makhu in the equinox when he rises as the sun-god from between the two kherufu or lions on the mount185. Atum-Ra-Har-Makhu was the lion-god of the double force, or the power and glory of the sun upon the mount of the horizon. He rose up between two lions which imaged the double solar force, and was also represented by the forepart and the hindpart of the lion.

Dublinmick said...

These little boxes are too small to reply on such a weighty subject. So I put together a little something.

Infidel said...

We have been told that the Bible contains many fulfilled prophecies, but is it true? Here are some lessons that aren't taught in Sunday School:

Examination Of The Prophecies

The Failed Prophecies of Daniel

Failed Bible Prophecies

The Apocalypse of John

The Prophecy Farce

Infidel said...

Humor and Satire



Those who object to any employment of satire on "sacred" subjects should not go beyond the Preface of this book. It is not for them, nor are they for it; and they are warned in the hall of what they must expect in the various chambers. But if they neglect the warning they should take the responsibility. It will be simply indecent if they turn round afterwards and assail us with unmerited abuse.
Pictorial ridicule has the immense advantage of visualising absurdities. Lazy minds, or those accustomed to regard a subject with the reverence of prejudice, read without realising. But the picture supplies the deficiency of their imagination, translates words into things, and enables them to see what had else been only a vague sound.

Illustrated Stories from the Bible (that they won't tell you in Sunday School)

The free stories are listed in the column on the right.

Warning: Like much of the Bible, these stories are not suitable for children!

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