Tuesday, August 16, 2011



Did a Jew, Abdullah Ibn Saba, infiltrate Islam and cause it to become divided? - (Ibn Saba -Wikipedia)

Muhammad died in AD 632.

Abu Bakr was made his successor, the first caliph.

This choice was disputed by some of Muhammad's followers, who thought that Ali, Mohammad's cousin and son-in-law, should be his successor.[1]

Reportedly, Abdullah ibn Saba (c. 600 – c. 670) was a Jewish scholar from Yemen who lived in Medina at the time of Muhammad.

In Sunni tradition he is the creator of Shia Islam.

Website for this image "The Arab historian, Ibn al-Athir, (d.1210) traced the origin of the rivalry in Islam to family feuds and jealousies long before the inception of Islam." (Website)

According to Sunni tradition, Abdullah ibn Saba was a Rabbi from Sana who pretended to convert to Islam during the caliphate of Uthman (the third caliph).

Reportedly, he was the son of Saba' ibn Shamun, a Jew living in Medina, who plotted to kill Caliph Umar (the second caliph).

Reportedly, Abdullah Ibn Saba swore revenge against Uthman (the third Caliph) for executing his father's companions.

After the assassination of Uthman, Ali became the fourth caliph.

Ali was then assassinated.

CALIPHS - Website for this image

After the assassination of Ali, Abdullah ibn Saba is said to have taught that:

"Ali was not dead but alive and had never been killed, that a part of the Deity was hidden in him and that after a certain time he would return to fill the earth with justice.

"Until then the divine character of Ali was to remain hidden in the Imams, who temporarily filled his place."

Islam split into Shia Moslems (followers of Ali) and Sunni Moslems.

The line of Mohammed through Ali became extinct in 873CE when the last Shia Imam, Muhammad al-Mahdi, disappeared within days of inheriting the title at the age of four.

The Shias refused to accept that he had died, preferring to believe that he was merely "hidden" and would return.

When after several centuries this failed to happen, spiritual power passed to the ulema, a council of twelve scholars who elected a supreme Imam. (The Origins of the Sunni/Shia split in Islam)

Reportedly, John Calvin was Jewish and tried to split Christianity. aangirfan: CALVIN AND THE JEWS

Allegedly, the Apostle Paul and ibn Saba were "Jewish agents" who infiltrated Christianity and Islam to destroy them from within.[8]

Many respected Shia scholars have agreed that Abdullah Ibn Saba existed.

Among them are Abu Muhammad al-Hasan bin Musa al-Nubakhti,[12] Abu Amr bin Abdul Aziz al-Kash-shi,[13] Al-Hasan bin Ali al-Hilly,[14] al-Astra Abadi,[15]Al-Sadooq,[16] and Al-Nawbakhty.[17]

These scholars say that Abdullah bin Saba was Jewish and 'converted' to Islam.

Some scholars believe that Abdullah bin Saba either claimed prophethood himself and that Ali was Allah, or claimed prophethood for Ali.



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Anonymous said...

No way he did it, another one who's covering smb else



Anonymous said...

They fall like flies, dont they? Another weird death, poor boy, murder disguised in suicide



Anonymous said...


I'm sure you've already seen this, but anyway...


Also interesting...



It's not easy to find useful information in English on the underbelly of the Iranian power elite. Probably looking for dirt from expat Iranians in Faarsi on wordpress and similar sites would yield something worthwhile.

My own impression is that Ahmedinajad is more or less what he seems, but the real powers are snakes: the druglord billionaire Mullahs, the Ayatollahs and the security apparatus.

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Just saw this:



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Anonymous said...

Muhammad's mother was a jew. Muhammad's wife was a jew.

Anonymous said...

Comments and thoughts please- Anyone think London riots preamble ZION at UK 2012 Olympics???

Threat of Olympic 2012 Boycott because logo spells ZION

Advance warning- rioters will target the 2012 Olympics

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Anonymous said...

"Muhammad's mother was a jew. Muhammad's wife was a jew."

Do you have a reference for that? I'm not sure it's correct.

But correct or not, the Jews, Christians and Sabians are considered in Islam to be "People of the Book" and mentioned as such in the Qur'an. That is, they are monotheists. As such, true Muslims accord them due friendship and respect.




Ultimately, these religions are extremely similar. And Islam is especially close to purely monotheistic Torah Judaism and early unitarian Christianity.

Anonymous said...

"Muhammad's wife was a jew."

Two in fact:



And one a Coptic Christian:


Anonymous said...

"Muhammad's wife was a jew."

Two were, in fact. And one was a Coptic Christian.

Anonymous said...

Khomeini used children in his battles

Anonymous said...

US President Jimmy Carter (Bilderberg) ousted the Shah and supported incoming Khomeini terrorism

Anonymous said...

Strong Recommendation-Watch this Short Video-very informative

Anon said...

Strong recommendation? In the video we have George Green who has said that Jesus was an alien. Sounds like CIA disinformation! Be warned.

Anonymous said...

Jesus was indeed an alien. Truth hurts?

Anonymous said...

@ 6:17-Aangirfan- with respect, yes-strong recommendation...people call Alex Jones, Tapley, and many others disinformation agents, too. 'Truth' is ever elusive and people need to make up their own minds. Other people disagree with labelling Green as 'NWO disinformation tool' and find his views interesting. For me, the threat of martial law is a concern and Green offers insights into the Bilderberg distain for human life, so resisters like me want to hear about their plans.....Green is not the anti-Christ....my strong recommendation stands. Cheers

Anonymous said...

Sorry to be a pedant, but ...

"'Truth' is ever elusive and people need to make up their own minds."

This is the problem.

People shouldn't "make up their own minds" as if truth is something you can shop around for until you find a truth that you like.

There is a single platonic truth out there to be discovered.

And there are methods for approaching truth even in the presence of error, falsehood and deception.

Unfortunately, there is not a *single* book on practical, realworld epistemology.

Anonymous said...

@Anon 2:35, no worries, thank you for taking time to respond. However, I respectfully disagree with your statement,too.

I disagreed with Aang's response to my 'strong recommendation' because Aang's response was polarizing.

Your statement "...There is a single platonic truth out there to be discovered.." assumes that a 'single platonic truth' is a universal law but it is not because
belief is shaped by dyamic variables like experience, education, culture, money, etc....'your truth' will be different than 'my truth' as it should be. Our commonality is the our inalienable human right of free will choice which I objected to in Aang's response. On a larger scale, the globalists attempt to deny our
free will and right to chose.

Epistemologists argue over whether belief is the proper "truth bearer." Some would rather describe knowledge as a system of justified true propositions, and
others as a system of justified true sentences. But belief is the most commonly invoked truth bearer, since Plato's day.

Religious wars and other wars are rooted in the 'single platonic truth'. I view 'a single platonic truth' as a form of control. I resist the globalist because I
believe people should have the right of choice.


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