Wednesday, December 04, 2013

WOOLWICH WITNESSES


1.26pm

Chris Spivey has noticed that we are being given two different times for the attack on soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich in London.

The Old Bailey Comedy Festival: Day 1 - Chris Spivey

The above photo shows 'Lee Rigby about to be hit by a car' - at 13.26 hours (1.26 pm)

But, according to the official story:

At 1.35pm Lee Rigby was at the Tower Gateway rail Station.

Lee Rigby at 2.09 pm

According to the official version, it was at 2.21pm that 'Michael Adebolajo drove his car straight at Lee Rigby as he crossed the road'.

At 2.23pm The Vauxhall Tigra crashes to a halt and Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale are then seen getting out.

Lee Rigby murder timeline, by prosecution

Assistant commissioner Byrne, said: "We first received a 999 call from the public at 14:20hrs (2.20pm) stating a man was being attacked."


At 2.21pm the traffic appears to have been stopped by what appears to be a police car.

The road in question is normally VERY busy, and yet in the video showing the car heading towards the man there appears to be little traffic.


1.26pm

Chris Spivey notes: "Either the surrounding streets were closed off when the shops CCTV took the footage or it was very early in the morning."

The Old Bailey Comedy Festival: Day 1 - Chris Spivey



Where's the blood? Where's the damage to the traffic sign?

In November 2013, the trial began of the alleged attackers of soldier Lee Rigby.

One of the attackers reportedly said that the attack was carried out in retaliation for British troops fighting in Afghanistan.

The jury have been shown film footage apparently showing the two alleged attackers dragging 'a body' into the road.


The above video explains that the two attackers allegedly were driving along a road when they spotted a man (see above) who they thought might be a soldier, and so they drove into him.

Chris Spivey refers to the attacker Adebolajo telling the police that the victim Lee Rigby had been in his military uniform, and was coming in and out of the barracks.

In fact, the victim Lee Rigby was not wearing uniform and had come from the Tower area of London, not the Woolwich barracks.

"Adebolajo must have been under the illusion that they were still working to plan A...

"Which reminds me? Have I asked the question as to how the two Muslim Micks knew that Rigby would cross the road to go to the shop?"


Chris Spivey notes that "it is strange that all the witnesses whom (the prosecutor) Whittam QC quoted evidence from in court ... are not those who spoke to the newspapers on the 22nd of May"

The Old Bailey Comedy Festival: Day 1 - Chris Spivey

The jury has heard a written statement from a taxi driver who reportedly was following the car which allegedly hit Lee Rigby.

According to 'the taxi driver': "I saw a man being flipped into the air as he was hit.

"'Four or five seconds later the passenger got out of the passenger seat..."


No sign of any blood after the attack had finished.

Jurors were read a statement from Amanda Bailey, who allegedly stopped her car alongside the scene of the crash in Artillery Place.

Reportedly, Amanda Bailey was driving down the hill when the attacker's car cut across in front of her and accelerated into Lee Rigby.

Reportedly, she stopped her car across the road. Lee Rigby 'was lying face up, with his legs pointing away from the bonnet'.

According to Amanda Bailey's written statement: "It seemed a long time passed before the driver got out of the car."

Cheralee Armstrong, who was on her way to work at the time, said in a statement that she saw the men drag the body along the pavement and throw it into the road 'like a piece of rubbish'.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woolwich-trial-live-lee-rigby-2875490#ixzz2mL7iXSqI

James Henegan

James Henegan, 39, who had been with Cheralee Armstrong, told the jury he thought he was going to be shot when one of the men pointed a gun at him.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/

Vikki Cave said in a statement read to the court: "I noticed people standing around. I saw a body in the street, a lady crying..."

She said that the taller of the two attackers said: "Women and children are safe. You need to keep back when the police and army arrive.'


Tina Nimmo

Michelle Nimmo, who was driving near the barracks with her baby and mother, told the court: "I saw what looked like a car crash on the other side of the road.

"There was a man lying face down in front of this car, covered in blood. There were two men leaning over him.

"These men began repeatedly attacking the man on the ground, chopping away at him all over.

"I parked my car opposite the scene of the attack. My mum got out and walked towards the attacker.

"I shouted at my mum to get back as I was worried about her safety, but she wanted to help the man on the floor.


Where is the blood? 

"The men then dragged the man into the road by his top half.

"People wanted to help the man on the floor but any attempts to get close were met from threatening gestures with the knives and the gun."

The two men then walked away.

Ms Nimmo added: "They looked very proud of what they had done.

"My mother approached the victim but the man with the gun waved it in a threatening manner so she moved back."

One of them then posed for a photo taken by a member of the public, she said.

"When he turned round he had a smirk on his face."

Miss Nimmo added: "They stood around looking proud and posing with the gun and knives. All the crowds of people gathering were screaming and shouting."

At one point an elderly lady with a trolley walked past the bloodstained attacker.

No sign of any blood after the attack.

Witness Samuel Williams was coming back from his last job on the way back to the depot.

He said in a statement he first thought one of the attackers was trying to resuscitate Lee Rigby.

"When I saw the black man pull the gun I said to my wife 'get back, he's got a gun.' At that point I basically s**t myself."

Jurors were shown council CCTV footage of the arrival of armed police.

One man runs at the car with the machete raised above his head and is shot.

The second man is shot as he runs with his arm raised holding a gun.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woolwich-trial-live-lee-rigby-2878015#ixzz2mQgv41PP

The jury was told by prosecutor Richard Whittam QC that lorry driver Samuel Williams used his white Volvo to block the sight of Lee Rigby's body from members of the public.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woolwich-trial-live-lee-rigby-2863956#ixzz2m9prRl00

Witness Graham Wilders described a confrontation between a passer-by and a policeman who had arrived at the scene.

He said the policeman and the passer-by fought in the street because the policeman said he must wait for the armed response team to arrive and disarm the suspects.

'He was mouthing off to the police officer, asking why the police were not doing anything,' Mr Wilders said.

'The police officer was fighting him.

'I said "F****** go up there and take the gun off him".

'He then turned and went into his block of flats'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2517389/Covered-blood-wielding-gun-Moment-police-shoot-armed-men-murdered-soldier-Lee-Rigby-streets-Woolwich.html#ixzz2mRCvwIP0

The jury has been told by the prosecution that several witnesses saw the attack take place


Where are the crowds?

The witnesses are said to include:

1. Shopkeeper Ibrahim Elidemir and Saraj Miah, who reportedly told the two attackers: 'Don't kill him'.

Shopkeeper Ibrahim Elidemir "saw the driver attacking the throat of Lee Rigby with the chopper and the passenger stabbing him to the body," Mr Whittam said.

Chris Spivey comments: "Very ... strange, especially since I have in the past provided evidence that the shopkeeper had said he saw nothing."

The Old Bailey Comedy Festival: Day 1 - Chris Spivey

2. Greenwich Borough Council electrician Thomas Seymour, who reportedly saw a man attack the neck of Lee Rigby.

3. Gary Perkins, who reportedly says the attacker was 'like a butcher attacking a joint of meat'.

His colleague Gill Hucks reportedly described it as a "horrific frenzied attack"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woolwich-trial-live-lee-rigby-2863956#ixzz2m9qsfyWx
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2515493/Soldier-Lee-Rigby-murdered-mutilated-decapitated-Woolwich-attack-court-hears.html#ixzz2m9fK1zA2


One of the attackers, Michael Adebolajo

The jury was told what the attackers, Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale, did before the attack on 22 May.

Allegedly:

The Vauxhall Tigra allegedly used to knock down Lee Rigby was seen in a part of London called Lewisham at 1.52pm on May 21.

And at 2.01pm Adebolajo went to the Lewisham branch of Argos where he bought a five-piece set of kitchen knives in a block and a knife sharpener.


Where's the blood?

The vehicle was seen leaving the area around his home at 8am on May 22 with Adebolajo driving.

Adebolajo filled up with petrol but told the shop he did not have any money or identification.

He offered his phone as security and told the shop assistant not to answer if it rang.

After a trip home, Adebolajo returned and paid for the petrol and then headed towards Adebowale's address at around 9.30am.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2515493/Soldier-Lee-Rigby-murdered-mutilated-decapitated-Woolwich-attack-court-hears.html#ixzz2m9fK1zA2

The two attackers did not flee.

One attacker, Michael Adebolajo, spoke to a camera saying: "I apologise that women have to witness this.

"But in our lands, women have to see the same."

Woolwich attack: confusing, bizarre  (Telegraph)

Michael Adebolajo was brought up as a Christian.

His Christian family is originally from NIGERIA where Moslems have attacked churches.



"The police put up their tent around the scene of the crime, ie covering the headless torso, but wait: it had moved about thirty yards.

Originally it was round the corner as air-photos showed. How could the scene of the crime move like this? I guess it had to be next to the crumpled-up car."

Woolwich: Fake Terror in London - The Truthseeker

"A post-mortem into the death of Drummer Lee Rigby has ... failed to confirm the cause of death, Scotland Yard said."

Thus doctors are not endorsing the idea that he died as stated.

Woolwich: Fake Terror in London - The Truthseeker

WOOLWICH 'FALSE FLAG'

17 comments:

Paul Coker said...

There's one other major thing missing from both the narrative, and the visual record of the scene, which I discovered when I went down there myself:

https://vimeo.com/71379865


There is a YouTuber called Morris, who began posting videos about Woolwich being a false flag almost immediately.

He was ALL over YouTube within 2 days.

Despite being an aging hippie in a Wooly hat who apparently lives in someone's back garden, all his videos were posted in 1080p HD.

He's almost certainly 5, and appears to be spreading cognitive diversity and discouraging people from visiting the scene - one of his videos is of the road sign / lamp post, stating that it wasn't hit by a car - it's obvious from watching his video, and from first hand examination of the post, it WAS hit by a car, but certainty not one travelling more than one or two miles per hour, just enough to leave some scuff marks and hairline cracks in the cement below.

But he uploads this video of the post, which discourages people (me included) from going to Woolwich and having a look around - when you do, you realise that the lamp post is directly opposite (20 yards away) from the rear vehicle entrance (concealed in overhead shots by the treeline) of the largest military base in Greater London, with CCTV all over the place - all of this happened with clear view of the cameras.

And both the wrecked car, and all the props, clearly came out of that gate.

I smell a FOIA request or two, here....

Paul Coker said...

Also notice, in top (13.26) photo, there is a car in the right hand lane blocking traffic.

The other car also, does not appear to be in motion.

They are posing for the camera.

Also, what camera is this?

It appears to be mounted on the OUTSIDE of the Off License...

It may be a traffic camera, but this road, running North to South, is NOT a main, arterial route, part of the reason it was presumably selected. It's very quiet.

Paul Coker said...

Aang,

If you look at the fifth picture down, the Traffic Camera that supposedly took the first picture, is not there.

It's a complete fake. It's just an ordinary photo someone overlaid the time stamp information onto.

The timestamp information on the 7/7 security tapes was also wrong.

You almost think they were doing this on purpose....

giark65 (abel danger) said...

Excellent coverage. thank you

Anonymous said...

giark65 comment endorsed.

Great work.

Carol x

Anonymous said...

It should be remembered in the UK the clocks went forward an hour on 31st March for British Summer Time.

Just because the clocks went forward, doesn't mean the time was updated on the camera.

It's not unusual for lazy Britons to not bother changing these things, and not all of them automatically update on their own.

Just a thought.

Anonymous said...

I don't really know what's going on, but I tend to agree with those who say the Woolwich hoax was so sloppy that it was probably partly intended as a probe to see how people will respond.

Paul Coker said...

"It's not unusual for lazy Britons to not bother changing these things, and not all of them automatically update on their own."

That's a very convenient excuse, which was also employed for one of the 7/7 cameras being fast by (I think, from memory) about 1hr and five minutes approximately.

You are right - British people are lazy, and they don't update things. But this is (allegedly) an integrated system of cameras, slaved to a central control centre.

And they DO update themselves automatically if, when setting them up, you tell them (correctly) what time zone they are located in.

That doesn't explain why Rigours is STANDING in the middle of the road, rather than walking or running, or why he hasn't reacted to the revving of engines from the crazed Jihadi Catholic Speed Racer intent on running him down.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/tyky2ykd92qzdb6/2013-12-04%2021.07.11.png

Makes NO sense.

If he was hit by the car in the middle of the road, he should have had broken legs and been launched down the centre of the carriageway - or landed on the windshield.

That doesn't explain how he ended up on the pavement (there's a big, overhanging tree there, so they can do the switch with the mannequin while he's out of shit from the people filming up in the Tower block on the left), or why the car collided (very slowly) with the pole.

Look very closely at the above - if looks as though the traffic is backed up on th otherside of the intersection with the main road.

In the stage centre, Rigours is in front of the key car, but if you look, there is another car, stopped on the right, parked against the flow of traffic, and between the two cars, they have blocked off traffic coming from that direction;

In the foreground those two blurry cohorts have blocked off the pavement on the left, so we have a surreptitious perimeter being established - they are there to stop any pedestrians on that side of the street from approaching the staging area by waving their arms, filming things with their phones and yelling "Oh my God!!!"

It's the Asch Social Compliance model - if you physically block off an area with barriers or tape, people will question it - if you give them a social norm to conform to (not going to help a man being decapitated, or going any closer to investigate, denouncing Jews or Communists, pretending to care about Big Brother), most people will fall in line with it "because that's what everyone else was doing".


Before you can perform a piece of Street Theatre, you have to clear a space.

Paul Coker said...

This still boils down to incompetence theory.

And since the only purpose of putting a timestamp on the footage from these cameras is to provide a chain of evidence in criminal investigations, failing to tell the camera that everyone around it is operating on Greenwich Mean Time, when the camera itself is located about a mile away from the Prime Merridian in Greenwich (which is fairly interesting all by itself) is fairly moronic.

But as you say, this comes down to the British worker, and low-level basic grade civil servants at that, so maybe the clock on the Camera is just WRONG.

But also, there isn't a camera there.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0jpgoaqz48cowcv/2013-12-04 21.39.07.png

I thought there might have been for a minute or two, but it's just an open window.

Take another look at my footage from August:

https://vimeo.com/71379865

I'm not convinced that's a real off-license - it was formerly (in the recent past a pub, and it appears to be completely stocked from a local cash and carry, without much care and attention to retail nicities.

So - I am now going to indulge in a conspiracy theory; be warned, this is my SPECULATION only....

That property was formerly a pub, directly opposite the rear entrance to Woolwich Barracks/Woolwich Aresenal, which is exactly what the name says it was....

Wouldn't it make sense if it was owned by the Crown?

The building obviously dates back easily to pre-World War I, so wouldn't it make sense if the place was owned by MI5 or some other branch of Army Intelligence in days of yore...?

Any saboteurs or spies would be excellently placed and positioned to monitor the comings and goings of artillery and munitions, and it would be the first sight a thirsty Tommy Squaddie would see right before the ale began to loosen lips.

It MUST be owned by MI5.

I'd be shocked if it hadn't been, at some point.... Especially during World War II.

Here Endeth the Speculation...


Here's what it looks like as you pass through the staging area - it's not obvious from the MSM, but this really is a TINY area we're talking about, here....

https://vimeo.com/72113655

Anonymous said...

The pictures you've captioned about no blood visible seem to show visible liquid on the ground.

Tom said...

The pictures captioned no visible blood appear to show a liquid on the ground.

Anonny said...

Note the other anomalies etc:

* A number of other people were arrested in the days following the incident.

* I wonder if we'll hear in court from the scout leader from Devon who was all over Breakfast TV as the brave woman who encountered the pair (Ingrid Loyau-Kennett)

* It appears that a lot of the 'wnitnesses' now in court were not 'in the papers' in the days following the incident.

* Court reports today tell us that Michael Adebolajo, in his police interview, raved about UKIP leader Nigel Farage ! Confused.com, you betcha

* plenty more.........

wiggins said...

Now I do not believe this Pacific Time nonsense, but, for what it is worth and remembering the timescale of events - although muddied - are on most camera shots...
https://twitter.com/TfLTrafficNews/statuses/337298621735251969

Anonymous said...

Paul Coker. There are or were cameras on The Queen Victoria. They can be seen on Google Street View, pictures dated as May 2012. There are/were three of them. One on the grey wood next to the function room sign and directly under a small satellite dish. This one appears to be pointing down the road towards where the incident took place. Another is at the other end of the building on the grey wood near the Free House sign, pointing in the opposite direction. There is/was another camera on the building, round the corner in Rectory Place, looking down towards the shop door.

There is also another large camera on the wall near the barracks back gate, pointing at the back gate. Another camera is situated on the traffic lights at the end of the road pointing up towards the Queen Victoria. Behind that on a pole is another large camera pointing up the A205.

One anomaly that I noticed is that one of the aerial photos shows the tent down near the corner of the A205 on the barracks side instead of up Artillery Place on the Queen Victoria side.

The incident took place very near to a school, between lunchtime and school kicking out time.

Anonymous said...

Michael 'Toby' Adebowale & Ahmed Ahmed were stabbed during an incident at Verona House on the Larner Road estate in Erith, southeast London, on January 5 2008, which resulted in the murder of Faridon Alizada, of Bexley. Adebowale & Ahmed were reported to be with Faridon Alizada when Lee James came in at 3am claiming to want to buy drugs.

Lee James was found guilty by a jury & convicted of the murder of Faridon Alizada, at Southwark Crown Court on 19 December 2008. Michael Harwood was found not guilty.

Court reports stated that 'the 17 year-old who was stabbed when Faridon Alizada was murdered was sentenced to four months detention and training...'

The incident is linked with the 'Woolwich Boys' stuff of 2008. From the Lee James trial in December 2008, James, who also used the last names Peacock and Cantwell, told people 'he had robbed, murdered and stabbed the occupants of the flat'.

'He told others he believed that the men in the flat were supporters of Al Qaeda and that they had offered him money to act as a suicide bomber to blow up the nearby Bluewater Shopping Centre,' said prosecutor Tony Leonard.
'

Hrmm...

much more beneath the surface, me thinks....

Anonymous said...

@anon 4:27
key phrase...
"the Guardian has learned.."
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/24/woolwich-adebowale-witnessed-murder-knife/

original report here - no mention of Michael:
http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/3994670.ERITH__Faridon_Alizada_murderer_gets_life/


Madeleine Edwards, a family friend who lived in the same block of flats as Adebowale in Greenwich, south London, said he had been involved with a local gang – the Woolwich boys – when he was a young teenager and had been in "some serious gangland trouble".

She said he had been a witness in a high-profile murder trial and that his mother had said he had to "disappear for a while." He left for about a year and when he came back he appeared to have converted to Islam and had become distant. "He could see my disdain at the direction he had gone in," she said.


Jamie Olivier and Muslim books...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2330165/Michael-Adebowale-Woolwich-murder-suspect-probation-officers-son-chatted-neighbours-Jamie-Oliver-recipes.html

Anonymous said...

Phil,

I've watched all of Morris' videos on this topic and I just don't recall that he ever discouraged anyone from visiting the actual scene. He encouraged people to question and investigate the matter for themselves.

He always pointed out the glaring disparity between the mainstream media official narrative and what was actually at the scene or what could have occurred. He raised lots of questions and proved logically the whole thing was a hoax from the very beginning.

I have to suggest to anyone go to his channel and watch his videos for themselves and decide.

https://www.youtube.com/user/108morris108

 
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