Tuesday, September 20, 2011

GOD

Did God create mosquitoes?

Is there an old man in the sky who created the universe?

Su writes in her blog about "the child in a burn ward screaming, screaming, screaming."

Su refers to Eastern religions and the value of 'Stepping out of mind.....god willing'.

Nina refers to the cruel 'plantation owners' of this world.

Nina refers to the Taoist view of things in 'a select destiny'.



Is there an old man in the sky?

The Jewish, Christian and Moslem religions think so.

The Jewish, Christian and Moslem religions have their origins in Zoroastrianism, which began in Iran, around the 6th century BC .

(Influence of Zoroastrianism on Judaism and Christianity - (CAIS)©)

In Zoroastrianism (Zoroastrianism)a:

There is a God who is the Creator and who is all good.

There is an evil force who will ultimately be destroyed.

There is a saviour who will save the world.

In Zoroastrianism we find the equivalents of baptism, communion, guardian angels, heaven, worship on Sunday, the celebration of Mithras' birthday on December 25th, celibate priests who mediate between man and God, and the Trinity.

(Influence of Zoroastrianism on Judaism and Christianity - (CAIS)©)

People in countries influenced by Buddhism, such as Thailand and Indonesia, often seem happier than most.

BUT, what if the Zoroastrians have not got it quite right?

The Buddhists believe in some kind of life after death, but they keep a noble silence on the idea of God.

The Taoists refer to some kind of divine force called the Tao, but they say that it cannot be described in words.

It is difficult to imagine an old man in the sky designing this world on his design board.

It is difficult to imagine him designing a world in which one creatures survives by eating another creature.

So, maybe there was no Bible-style creation.

Maybe things have always existed.

Maybe there is a mysterious something which nourishes us.

Maybe we reap what we sow.

Maybe what we are now is due to what we thought in the past.

Maybe what we will become is what we are thinking now.



We quote from: 'a select destiny' (Deep Into Artlife West - blogspot)

"Something we cannot define with science and logic is happening here, a grand design, some not-of-this-world intention we are simply not at the rightful stage of development to comprehend regardless of our effort.

"I believe this makes us a unique product of evolution to remain invincible in the face of pure unadulterated evil where vast and continuing material loss strips us to the lowest category of Earthly life and it has no influence at all, we go on in trust, always looking forward, accepting each test as triathlon athletes determined to pass and not just well, but intact, because in spite of the incessant repeats, it makes the good, the pure, the honest, the natural reverent and holy, gifts from somewhere else reminding us the world we desire really does exist and one day we are destined to reach it."

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Reincarnation, the story of a scottish child, Part 2 - YouTube

Reincarnation, the story of a scottish child, Part 3 - YouTube

Reincarnation, the story of a scottish child, Part 4 - YouTube

Reincarnation, the story of a scottish child, Part 5 - YouTube




Old man in the sky?

Anonymous comments:

In both Islam and Judaism, the Creator is neither male nor female, neither begets nor is begotten.

Is not corporeal in the human sense, but rather is the all-encompassing and all-pervading sentience and ultimate creator of things. Any corporeal references are purely metaphorical.

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Religions that believe in God?

Anonymous comments:

There are obvious similarities with certain aspects of Buddhism and Vedantic Hinduism.

In particular, Nirvana and Samsara are analogous to Paradise and the unenlightened worlds (this world, various hells).

Also Brahman patently shares the same properties as the One Creator of Judaism, Islam and Christianity: eternal, self-sustaining, transcendent, the Ultimate Reality, the Supreme Consciousness.

Even the concept of karma has analogues in monotheism.

All good eminates from the Creator; evil is what we ourselves create and inflict upon ourselves. As you sow...

Reincarnation is also not so simple.

The scriptures of the monotheistic religions mention instances in which prophets are returned to this world subsequent to their exit from it.

The prophet Yeshua is the canonical example.

As for the pains and evil of this world, they are not inflicted for sadistic reasons but as a trial. To separate the wheat from the chaff...

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13 comments:

Anonymous said...

At the risk of repeating myself and being ridiculed, Ill say it again: there is noone up there in the sky. We are a genetically engineered alien creation. Religion was also invented by them in order to enslave us. Unfortunately we are surrounded by its consequences... The Bible is the greatest genetic code ever. Its up to u to research and enlighten urself or to stay in the religious darkness. Choice is urs.

C

Anonymous said...

The Jewish, Christian and Moslem religions have their origins in Zoroastrianism, which began in Iran, around the 6th century BC ...

One of most stupid verses here...Sorry but you need some theological and historical re-education. You are good with politics but do not go to other fields

C: I prefer to stay in my religious darkness. Last time I checked the biggest and massive crimes worldwide occured on behalf of atheist regimes, which believed the same which you say. No, I am not a walking shit machine till my death. If you believe it, you have the right to do so.

Emeritus

CanSpeccy said...

The connection between Christianity and the Mystery religions, seems certain. And the Mystery religions, including Mythraism, appear to be inspired by the ancient Egyptian Osiris - Isis myth.

The idea that humans are the products of genetic engineering by an alien life form does not seem far-fetched. Much easier to insert the intellectual essence of an alien life form into a local life form, than to adapt the alien life form to the local environment.

But the idea that religion is merely a device for exploitation and control is is probably incorrect. Religion promotes group solidarity and stabilizes culture over the generations, thus insuring that successful groups do not fall apart as western civilization is falling apart, victim of mindless liberalism and commercial exploitation.

Tony Ryals said...

Judeo-Christianity and Baby Machines
Judeo-Christianity and Baby Machines...

by Tony Ryals

They killed homosexuals didn't they?,
Or at least that's what the Bible says anyway,
And God it says took Onan's life,
Because he wouldn't have sex with his dead brother's wife,
God being strictly "right to life,
But Lot of Sodom and Gomorrah fame,
At least knew how to play God's game,
While his wife turned to salt as God murdered her friends,
Lot was busy watching his daughters rear ends,
And saying his amens,
The Bible says they got him drunk and raped him,
Thus more babies they did make them,
And that's how God saved him,
We know not exactly what sins against
God the wicked Sodomites had done,
But to judge from Lot incest wasn't one,
And of course there's wise King Solomon,
Who took numbers of wives to increase his own reproduction,
While to house them he cut the cedars of Lebanon,
So much for wise King Solomon,
Might as well trust in Allah man,
So they took their women to bed,
And to more little tribesmen this surely led,
Who beat other tribesmen over the head,
And then took their women to bed,
Like this the population continued to grow,
While civilizations would come and civilizations would go,
Thanks to Judeo - Christian - Muslim views of life,
Women knew nothing but reproductive strife,
And men knew nothing but killing,
Of which they were so able and willing,
But now our own reproductions,
Threaten the biosphere's functions,
The old ways no longer apply,
We can't even afford an eye for an eye,
Let alone to go out and multiply,
And if we continue to over reproduce as a species - we die,
If the laws of God and the biosphere are one,
Better to read the soil and celebrate the sun,
Than to thump the Bible and defend the gun,
Those who would not in pornography traffic,
Had better take the Bible and pack it
So far that the kiddies can't see it,
Lest there's the danger that they just might read it,

http://politicalandsciencerhymes.blogspot.com/2011/09/judeo-christianity-and-baby-machines.html

CanSpeccy said...

"But now our own reproductions,
Threaten the biosphere's functions,
The old ways no longer apply,
We can't even afford an eye for an eye,
Let alone to go out and multiply,
And if we continue to over reproduce as a species - we die"

We certainly die, as a community, a race or a species, if we do NOT reproduce.

The above quote is precisely the toxic liberal rubbish which accounts for the fact that societies with a firmly held religious code survive better than those without. In fact, we see that the nations of Europe are quite rapidly dying out as fertility falls far below the replacement rate and God-fearing Muslims and Hindus take their place.

What liberals cannot bear is that life is competitive, competition leads to conflict and disaster. But if you aren't prepared to compete, you're as good as dead.

Anonymous said...

Aangirfan,

You seem to delight in misrepresenting the monotheistic religions.

Maybe you can give us some references in the Qur'an or Torah to this "old man in the sky" idea.

Or maybe not.

Because you can't, as you invented it out of abject ignorance.

Your theology seems to be drawn from metaphorical paintings on the ceiling of the Sistine chapel.

In both Islam and Judaism, the Creator is neither male nor female, neither begets nor is begotten. Is not corporeal in the human sense, but rather is the all-encompassing and all-pervading sentience and ultimate creator of things. Any corporeal references are purely metaphorical.

You seem intent on reducing Creative Intelligence to some sort of insentient and undirected physical law: karma as gravity.

And, yes, the monotheistic religions have clear similarities with the ideology of Akhenaten, the origins of which are still unclear.

There are also obvious similarities with certain aspects of Buddhism and Vedantic Hinduism. In particular, Nirvana and Samsara are analogous to Paradise and the unenlightened worlds (this world, various hells). Also Brahman patently shares the same properties as the One Creator of Judaism, Islam and Christianity: eternal, self-sustaining, transcendent, the Ultimate Reality, the Supreme Consciousness.

Even the concept of karma has analogues in monotheism. All good eminates from the Creator; evil is what we ourselves create and inflict upon ourselves. As you sow...

Reincarnation is also not so simple. The scriptures of the monotheistic religions mention instances in which prophets are returned to this world subsequent to their exit from it. The prophet Yeshua is the canonical example.

As for the pains and evil of this world, they are not inflicted for sadistic reasons but as a trial. To separate the wheat from the chaff. Or do you think immortality should be extended to the evil as well as to the good? Death is a useful failsafe device in this world: the evil eventually die. Would you want it otherwise?

As for the received worldview of today typified by Dawkins, this scarcely deserves comment and will be considered entirely irrational within decades. It will be taken for granted that the greatest menaces of our world, death and evil, are solvable engineering problems. Better worlds and souls will indeed be designable on design boards.

Atheism was always a blind arrogance. The intellectual humility of agnosticism is more defensible. And with incontrovertible revealed knowledge, even agnosticism becomes untenable. Does such knowledge exist? Ask a prophet.

Ultimately, the nature of our existence comes down to two simple questions:
1) Are our souls and the worlds we perceive synthesizable constructs?
2) If they are likely to be synthesized, then by Whom?

That's just a lot of words.

Easier if you watch, say, The Thirteenth Floor or Blade Runner and then read up on the work of Kwabena Boahen or Henry Markram. Maybe read up on Tononi's Integrated Information Theory also. Also look into molecular/molar scale computer engineering that we are rapidly approaching. Look into the impending collision of the biological and computational worlds, such as Luca Cardelli's work on biochemical process algebras.

So can we determine if our world is synthetic? Probably only through intended revelation. Or statistical inference: are there events a little too convenient and strange to be random? In my own experience, absolutely.

This world is not the impersonal and overwhelmingly hostile universe of Steven Weinberg, but rather the world of Abraham and Carl Jung.

An empire of the soul.

In fact, we can not even guarantee that our physical "laws" are fundamental: they could just be one of many selectable options. Maybe only mathematics is pervasively true through all possible worlds, from the highest to the lowest.

As for why we are here and what this world is for...

Our purpose in this world is merely to choose through our actions: the kingdom or the darkness.

Tony Ryals said...

Euro-Judeo Christianity ...

by Tony Ryals

Millions of Jews in Europe died,
Only by fools or fascists could that be denied,
This twentieth century high-tech genocide,
But the historians and governments story-don't believe
them-they lied,
Just blame it on their pseudo-Christian pride,
Because the Allies and Christians who won the war,
Rewrote history to separate Christianity from the Nazi horror,
They'll tell you the Nazis weren't Christians,
They worshipped astrology and Norse pagan religions,
This should upset many moderm Germans,
Who must still pay taxes for their Christian sermons,
But no Norse pagans held a grudge or accused Jews of killing Thor,
So Christians should not defame the Norse gods anymore,
And for many years of European history,
It was Christian aristocrats who worshipped astrology,
Saint Dominic de Guzman of Dominican fame,
Put all heretics to flame,
And the Catholic Church is still proud of his name,
With their barbaric old Testament theology,
They were just Nazis without the technology,
And when the Russians unleashed their pogroms,
It was again Christian mythology that drove their
psycho-neural programs,
I guess I could go on and on,
The list of atrocities is pretty long,
Then we get to World War II,
And we all cry Hitler killed the Jew,
It wasn't a Christian me and it wasn't a Christian you,
But Hitler was once a little boy,
In Christian Austria he searched for joy,
And asked his mom to buy him a toy,
It was there he learned to hate,
That Jews were going to run his state,
So his culture sealed his fate,
You should face it Fundamentalist Christians,
It was Hitler not Jesus who died for your sins,
And Jesus who really was a Jew,
Would be amazed and outraged by you,
The German Jews lived a mythology too,
That aided and abetted this false Christian view,
They thought that they were Semites too,
They couldn't separate their religion,
From a true historic vision,
They took literally what their religion told them,
And just said, " Next year in Jerusalem",
So German Jews just to inform ya,
Your historic home was probably Khazaria,
It was probably in the Caucasus,
It's all just a big historic mess,
All Jews aren't Semites and all Semites aren't Jews,
And Christian Moslem and Jewish fundamentalists are just bad news,
It doesn't matter whose their savior, .
Language and religion are both just a learned behavior,
Now the Christian fundamentalists support the Jewish state,
Why? Because they hope it will bring about
Armageddon-they can't wait,
Just chalk up this apocalyptic Judeo-Christian vision,
To man and his confused religious symbols in collision.

http://politicalandsciencerhymes.blogspot.com/2011/09/euro-judeo-christianity.html

Cathy Palmer said...

"I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, [and] established my goings. And he hath put a new song in my mouth, [even] praise unto our God: many shall see [it], and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."
Psalm 40

My brief story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANm1qNoBFAQ

Cathy
http://enjoyingthejourney.blogspot.com/

CanSpeccy said...

Tony Ryals wishes to blame the Jewish Holocaust on Christianity, the implication being we'd be better off, or at least better people, as atheists than as followers of Jesus.

But it was the godless commies under the direction of the Jew Kaganovich who killed six to 11 million Christian Ukranians during the Holodermor, not to mention ten to twenty million Russians.

And now the godless liberals of Europe are genociding their own people and replacing them with, among other religious adherents, fast-breeding and fervent Muslims.

The idea that Christianity is somehow responsible for all the evil in the world is toxic liberal propaganda.

Tony Ryals said...

Careful now,I've heard too much lord can make you fat.Or are you talking about UK Lord William Rees-Mogg - a terrible Lard
indeed ?:


But there's still the question of religion,
Which is also probably located in the psychomolecular region,
We have Aryans who call themselves Jews just for politics,
And Asians who are no longer Buddhist but Catholics,
We have Christians of every extraction,
Thanks mainly to GuttenbergĂ­s printing press contraption
If Aryans can be Jews,
I guess what this proves,
Is that the genes don't program religion,
If the human brain codes do not become more synchronous with the needs of the gene codes that makes them,
Their very own brain codes may very well bake them,


http://politicalandsciencerhymes.blogspot.com/2011/09/ode-to-psychomolecular-code.html

quote from Ode to the Psychomolecular Code ...
by Tony Ryals

nobody said...

Hullo Aang,

Well you know me. There's only the continuum with selflessness at one end and selfishness at the other. A perfectly selfless person becomes the buddha - one with the universe. A perfectly selfish person is the anti-buddha - a deluded black hole of nothingness.

All of these things absolutely exist. And God and the devil? Aren't they the above? What is the devil apart from one who whispers, 'Go on, you deserve it'? And what is God, apart from ego-less people united for the sake of each other and the planet they live upon?

And what would we make of a God who demands our adoration? Why would God have an ego? And where would that fellow with an ego fall on the continuum?

Me, I'll take the world as it is and skip the agenda-laden metaphors.

PS. Did you see yourselves at the party? You livened the place up no end. And what fun we all had, ha ha. Ciao mate.

nobody said...

PS. Hats off to Michelangelo but here's my favourite God.

In case you were wondering, it's actually WG Grace, ha ha. Atheist cricket fans the world over rejoice.

And there seem to be a few cross christians in here. No doubt this will make them crosser. Oh dear.

Anonymous said...

Aldous Huxley famously called Christian Science "semi-oriental heresy". I just found a quote from Laura Huxley on it: "it works if you work it"

 
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